Move over Manhattan
May 9, 2008
New
York developer wants to bring a new level of luxury to Las Vegas
Miki Naftali is chief executive officer and
president of ELAD Group, which purchased the New Frontier Hotel & Casino
from owner Phil Ruffin for $1.24 billion last year, and the property was
imploded in November to make way for an $8 billion luxury, mixed-use project
bearing The Plaza name. New York-based ELAD Group and Israel-based IDB Group
are partnering on the project to be built on the 34.5-acre parcel just north of
the high-end Fashion Show Mall and across from the Wynn Las Vegas and Encore
properties. The Plaza will include an ultra-luxury hotel, private residences,
retail outlets, a state-of-the-art casino, destination restaurants, an
entertainment venue and a convention complex. Construction crews are expected
to begin excavation early this summer, with completion slated for 2011. Naftali
talked with IGWB Senior Editor Marian Green about ELAD’s first venture
involving gaming, the Las Vegas market and future growth plans.
Why was it important for Elad to move into the Las Vegas market?
Naftali: It’s a very important part of our bigger plan to expand the Plaza
brand, and we are taking those steps very carefully, because the brand is so
unique that we are carefully selecting specific cities around the world. The
big picture is to be in no more than 25 major cities around the world. And we
think Las Vegas is obviously one of the most
important cities in the U.S.
and one of the most important in the world. Today, there are almost 45 million
tourists here every year, and by the time we open our property, we think, based
on all the statistics, there will be close to 50 million tourists. We think
this is a very important market and a dreamland for developers. You can really
use the best vision and create something unique, and that’s what we like to
do.
How long were you looking in Las Vegas before you settled on this
site?
Naftali: Probably around a year. What was very important for us, again, is that
different investors or different developers have different needs. For us,
location within a specific city is extremely, extremely important because the
brand has to be in a very, very good location. It wasn’t easy to find the right
location on the Strip. And we were very lucky, the way that we see it, to find
and to be able to close this specific location because we believe this is the
center of luxury on the Strip.
You paid a record price for that property, but that didn’t seem
to faze you at all.
Naftali: No, not at all because, you know, a record price compared to what?
Compared to the local market, but the local market is changing tremendously. If
you look at the density that was built 10 or 15 years ago, compared to the
density that is being built today, this is a completely different density. For
example, if you look at The Mirage or Treasure Island, those are truly
milestones [for] the Strip in Las
Vegas, and when you compare them to what is being done
today in the CityCenter, for example, it is completely different. And it makes
a huge difference on the price, because in any other country or in any other
major city around the world, you pay for buildable area. You don’t pay per
acre. And the reason is there is one acre, where you can build only 1,000
square feet, and there is another acre that you can build 1 million square
feet, so it doesn’t matter the price per acre. What really matters is how many
square feet you can build and how much it costs you per square foot. Now, in
some other locations on the Strip, for example, because of height restrictions,
close to the airport and so forth, you cannot build the same density, so it’s
really relative. Compared to other major cities around the world, this is not
an expensive price.
So, how many square feet can you build there?
Naftali: Well, the total project that we are going to build in phases is going
to be close to 15 million, almost 16 million, square feet.
This will be the second largest private real estate project,
after CityCenter, in the world. Can you talk about what type of statement you
hope to make with this project?
Naftali: We are in a unique situation because we have lot of experience in
developing real estate, not necessarily in the gaming industry, but we have a
lot of experience in building real estate throughout the world, very high-end
real estate, and we own a very unique and powerful brand. Usually it’s
either-or. You own a brand or you’re a management company, but not a developer
or not a gaming company, or you’re an investor or a developer, but you need to
create a brand or you need to bring a brand. We have a very unique opportunity
because we have both. And it allows us to really create something unique
without going through a lot of restrictions with different management companies
and different branding restrictions and so on and so forth. If you take The
Plaza in New York,
this is such a prominent property, and it’s so unique. In any aspect you look
at, the brand is so powerful. Our intention is to take this quality and this
very unique ambience and to bring it to Las
Vegas. We believe that we can do it. We believe there
is a market for it, and we think it will be very beneficial for everyone, not
only for us. It will be beneficial for the city. It will be beneficial for our
neighbors because it will help to improve the market.
Can you talk a little bit about what The Plaza means as a brand?
Naftali: The Plaza as a brand means six-star quality vis-à-vis the ambience of
the public spaces. This is the real stuff. This is not imitation of anything.
The real materials, the real ambience. Between the spaces that we are going to
recreate in Vegas — the famous Palms Court, the Oak Bar, the Oak Room – is a
lot of history and character [and] very high-end service. And the way to be
able to deliver good service is we are designing our property in a way that
every customer will be able to get the personal touch, the personal service.
It’s a big challenge to do something like that in a mega-mega resort with
thousands of rooms, especially if those are in one building. If you have
thousands of rooms in one building, it’s a big challenge to deliver great
service.
Steve Wynn took his approach, which was by creating the tower suites at the
Wynn. He did a great job, and, similar to that, what we are doing is creating
separate, different buildings. Each one will be basically standalone to be able
to deliver to our customers great service, which is probably missing in Las
Vegas right now.
Is there anything that you learned from your experience
renovating The Plaza in New York that you can use in developing this project?
Naftali: Well, I think it’s a combination between the renovation in New York and
tons of other real estate developments that we are doing throughout the United
States, Canada and Asia, where we are very active in Singapore and China. From
all those experiences, we learned a lot. And the one thing I would say is the
world is becoming one. There are so many international customers; private
residences buyers now come from all over the world. And it’s not enough just to
understand the local market. I think it’s extremely important to understand the
national and international markets, and we learn from all those experiences —
basically putting together the best plan that will appeal for the international
market, the European market as well as the North American
market.
This will be ELAD’s first gaming project. What sort of challenges
does that present?
Naftali: First of all, this is a mega-development. The size of the development
is a challenge, there’s no question about that. It involved a lot of brain
power and a lot of effort to get it done the right way. Secondly, of course,
gaming for us, up until a few months ago, was new. And we are very happy that
we were able to put together a great team with a lot of experience so it’s not
that we entered the market with an ego and said, “We know how to run a gaming
property, and we don’t need anyone to tell us what to do.” We looked for the
best talent in the market. So, our top gaming executive is Danny Wade, who has
tons of experience and is much respected in the gaming industry, and he’s doing
a fabulous job. He’s a great asset, and we are putting together a great team
that will operate the property as well as the other gaming properties that
hopefully we’ll do in the future.
As you know, there’s plenty of competition going up on the Strip
right now, and your project will be one of the last on the scene. How is that a
help or a hindrance?
Naftali: In every market in the world, we see that competition is actually
good. One of the major reasons that 45 million people are coming to Vegas every
year is the variety and quality of the properties and the variety of
activities. It’s just amazing. Good competition forces everyone to raise the
bar, to raise the standard, and I think the quality of the developments and resorts
today in Vegas is completely different from the ones [bult] 10 or 15 years ago.
The way that we see it, it’s only good.
Are you saying there’s more of a critical mass of higher-end
properties and that helps?
Naftali: Yes, there is more and more demand for high end every year — we see it
all over the world. If we think what our grandparents used to do and what we do
today, the way we live our lives, most of us work more hours, we have more
pressure. But we are willing to pay for service, we are willing to pay for a
great meal, we are willing to pay for many things that our grandparents didn’t
even think to ever do. [But] what is high end today is not necessarily the high
end of tomorrow. The quality and the demand for quality are increasing all the
time.
You talked about your plans to take The Plaza brand globally.
Where else might you be looking?
Naftali: We are actually very active in two different markets — one is, obviously,
gaming. On the gaming side, there are a couple of very specific markets that we
believe can fit The Plaza brand. Las
Vegas is very important for us. And we will be looking
down the road to expand to one or two markets in Asia.
But we are not only a gaming company. We are expanding in the hospitality
market as well, and Europe, specifically London
and Paris, are
very important for us. We are considering Rome
as well. Russia and Moscow are also important
markets. In Asia, we have already secured Singapore. Tokyo is very important for us. China, either Shanghai
or Beijing, are
very important for us. We are working some opportunities in China. Hong Kong right now is important for us. And obviously
North America, not to mention Beverly
Hills, is very important for us. I think it’s quite
clear that these are top cities around the world that could support a very
high-end hotel and very high-end private residences.
With the development on the Strip right now, are you concerned at
all about finding the right type of employee?
Naftali: We are somewhat concerned, but we think that Las Vegas is a great city to live in. If I
remember correctly, there are about 5,000 new citizens every month in Las Vegas, so the city is
growing, and there is good talent that is moving to Vegas. And I think there is
some talent that will be looking to go into a very high-end property. We need
to make sure that we have the best employees for what we’re looking to do, and
we think we will be able to have the right employees.
Right now we’re in a downturn in the market. Will Las Vegas be one of those
places that rebounds faster than others?
Naftali: Yes, because the gaming industry and the resorts are doing very, very
well. One of the trends that I think is quite good for the major players is
that smaller properties are not being built because the smaller developers do
not have the funding to build those properties. So the construction costs are
now starting to go back to the normal level after being completely crazy. As
far as I know, we’re going to be the only major property to open in 2011, so I
think that this is good timing for us.
Has the cost of the property changed?
Naftali: No, we think it’s actually working quite well for us. Overall
throughout the nation, there is a slowdown in construction. Trades are not as
busy as they used to be. The demand for material is not the same as it used to
be in the last few years, and frankly, it’s a good opportunity and a good
result for us to build a property. On a daily basis, we get vendors calling us,
wanting to know when we are going out to bid to different trades, and this is a
good sign.
I think that it is a healthy market.
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